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Boys are boys and girls are girls. I’m George Caylor, teawithgeorge.com and today’s podcast, Get Real, you can find it at teawithgeorge.com. Go to Get Real and share this with your friends. Today we’re going to talk about something that, it seems so silly and so stupid, but it has implications that are going to affect our country, not just now, but for all time I’m afraid. I’m here today with constitutional expert, history professor, Steve Putney and Diane Gruber, a retired attorney out on the west coast of Washington State. Today we’re going to talk about the transgender phenomenon that’s happening all over America. It seems to be happening in the world as well. And the effects that it’s having on women’s sports, Title IX, on our society, on…on nearly every aspect of our lives and we’re wondering where did this come from I mean it just seems to have come on all of the sudden. Before we start, our sponsor today is Caylor wealth management.

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Transgender, what does that even mean? Well, it means that, I, I think its just from gender confusion. And little kids don’t even know what they are. And I know when I was nine or ten years old, I knew I was a boy, I liked to do boy things. But if somebody would have said to me, hey you might really be a girl because you have a Dennis the Menace doll and girls play with dolls and what are you really. Well, why would you ask a kid a question like that and yet that’s what they’re asking. Diane is a little bit at a lass on this one because she’s not, she told me she’s not an Old Testament Bible scholar. And Steve and I are. And there’s a book that, the author Jonathan Kahn was interviewed yesterday and the day before on the Glenn Beck show. Jonathan Kahn wrote a book called return of the gods. And I read it. It’s quite an interesting book, into a man that’s really studied the Hebrew and all the things that happened in the Old Testament. And a lot happened, by the way. And it covers a span of thousands of years. A lot of stories written by different authors but it all runs the same theme, how God is working His purpose out. Well, one of the things they had to contend with was the demon gods that Babylon and Assyria and so on. They’ve been around and then they disappeared for a couple of thousand years and in the book, Return of the Gods it seems they’ve found a vacuum and nature abhors a vacuum. So, they’re back. And so we have god of child sacrifice, Moloch and we have abortion. And we have the goddess of sexual perversion, Ishtar and we have, now we have the LGBTQ and by the way there’s a lot more initials than that and I’m not, I think they’re going to run out of initials by the time they get through with these sexual phenomenons or whatever it is. But what are we up against? It’s a spiritual battle, it’s a cultural battle, and it’s a battle that could actually undo our country. I’m going to go with Steve first on this. And, Steve, what is your take on the transgender movement, what’s going on here?

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Thanks, George. This is a difficult subject. But you led off with the clip, the digital audio clip of Mr. Rogers and saying boys are boys and girls are girls and that draws me back to what he, what Mr. Rogers was. He was a clergyman before he started his program on PBS. But I think what Moses wrote in the book of Genesis, in the first five verses of Genesis chapter one, it says in the beginning, God created. And then it goes through days one, day two, three, four, and then on day six, which is found in verse 26, Moses wrote then God said let us, there’s reference to the trinity, make man in our image and our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along on the ground. And this is sometimes referred to as the dominion mandate or the dominion covenant. But then verse 27, the next verse says, so God created man in his own image. In the image of God he created him, male and female, he created them. There are only two genders. There are only two genders, male and female. George, when you and I assume room temperature, and are lowered into the ground and in 200 years somebody digs us up simply by looking at our bone structure they are going to know that we were not women. We were men. And same with Diane and all females. Simply by looking at bone structure, forensics can tell what we were. What’s the history of modern genderism, transgenderism, excuse me. It used to be called transvestites. I remember as a young boy, maybe 10, 11, 12 I don’t recall exactly what my age was and we had, we had a special speaker at our church and I don’t know why it seemed like when we had a special speaker I wanted to go sit on the front row. I remember when we had someone that had been captured by the Japanese in WWII. It was a missionary in the Philippines and he talked about when the Japanese came and took his family and put them in a concentration camp and how horrible it was. I’ll never forget that story. But another one I remember was we had someone from a rescue mission in Ohio and I have, I have no recollection what all he talked about. But he did talk about men coming to their mission that dressed like women. I later learned that was called transvestites, men who lived out their fantasies by dressing up in women’s clothes.

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I wasn’t a joke like clinger on ah..?

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No, it was not a joke. But I never forgot him talking about these men dressed like women. And even as a boy I thought, that is strange. I thought why would a man want to dress like a woman. But from what little research I did, it was in the 1940s is when there was this shall we say openness of transvestites and so since that time until now they have attempted to normalize the abnormal. I mean it goes against reality for a man to want to be a woman or a woman to want to be a man. But with the development of modern medicine and hormone therapy and certain kinds of blockers that women could take on masculine characteristics and men could take on women characteristics. But in looking at this whole notion of transgender ideology and I was listening to one feminist and she referred to this as a religion, it's a cult. But they were talking about how this gender dysphoria affects three age groups and Mr. Rogers kind of addressed that to an extent, little boys and you’re, you don’t know really the difference between a male and a female as a boy and you think… and it is true that girls are closer to their dads and boys are closer to their mothers. I mean on a battlefield, you’ve probably heard stories of soldiers that are wounded and dying and other soldiers talking about, who were they calling for?

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Their mothers

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 Exactly, because boys are closest to their mothers. But nonetheless he says, or this feminist that I heard talking about the history of this says that it’s little boys are the first ones that are affected by this gender dysphoria. Little boys, maybe 4, 5, 6 maybe 3, 4, 5, 6 something like that but for the most part they grow out of it and testosterone kicks in as they go through puberty and girls have cooties at a certain point. Well, and then they later become attracted to girls. But nonetheless, the second group that’s affected by gender dysphoria are teenage girls. And they are, they come under peer pressure as they’ll hear in school some female that’s transgendered and become a boy, a male and then they’ll begin to question their own identity. And this is, this is promoted. I mean schools allow these people to come in and present this new way of thinking about who you are and you’re identity. And then the last group are young adult males who whether they effeminate characteristics or what decide… I am a female in a male body and they want to merge the two and so they will, and there is big money behind all this and you have to wonder…

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 Oh.

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Are the eugenicists,

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 Oh, big money.

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Are, are they the ones promoting this because, you know if you change the next generations gender where they can’t reproduce, what’s that going to do to the population?

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A little bit like the COVID vaccinations and the fertility changes that are coming on because of that. Well, Steve we’ve,

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 Yes.

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We’ve had you talk for quite a while.

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 I’m sorry.

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And I already said, you know, I come at this from a spiritual concept I think that this is a spiritual battle. Diane you’re not a Old Testament historian but you are a female and you are an attorney and you’re a patriot. How do you see this affecting America and where is this going?

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Well, first of all I learned a lot from listening to Steve. This is fascinating and I’d like to preface this by just saying out front I have known three transgender women. Now one has since passed away and the two that, that one was a liberal. The other two are conservative. Perhaps, or at least one of them perhaps is more conservative than I am so I want the audience to understand that transgender people are just as individualistic as the rest of us. And don’t assume that they buy into this transgender movement, movement that is harassing and destroying our schools and don’t assume that a transgendered adult wants children mutilated. Okay so let’s just start with that basis and not that long ago I guess teenage girls like 12, 13, 14 have really bought into this, I am a boy nonsense and not that long somebody pointed out that 30 percent of the little girls in middle schools in California claim to be transgender, claim to be. Okay, that doesn’t mean they’re doing the treatments and whatnot. And one percent in Ohio claim to be transgendered. So, what does that tell us? These little kids are being influenced and trained and indoctrinated and so forth. This is not a natural phenomenon that 30 percent of little girls think they’re little boys, this is all indoctrination and training. And in the state of Washington, they are pushing it so heavily they are forcing insurance companies to pay for it. Now mom and dad are of course the policy holders for the health insurance, but the schools shuttle the little kids off to the gender clinics and whatever treatment is going on there. The insurance companies by law are forced to keep this information away from mom and dad. In other words, go ahead and pay the bill but don’t tell mom and dad that these treatments are going on. Of course, I don’t know how well that’s going to work out when a number of you know little 13-year-olds wind up coming home there you know they’re all mutilated, and bleeding and mom and dad go huh you know are wondering what happened to you kind of thing. So,

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You know D…

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It’s it’s, ah go ahead, George.

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Yeah, Diane, I was you just brought some thoughts to me as you always do. You fire my synapses like crazy. Yesterday I interviewed Dr. Todd Olsen who is an epidemiologist and accompanies me on my medical missions to Africa. And Todd also has the distinction of having the champion, girls soccer team, college girls soccer team of America,

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Oh.

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I think in 2014. But he has 22 winning seasons and I mean his girls go out there and they

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Wow.

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Slaughter the other team and he’s, he’s just a fabulous man, intellect, and a deeply spiritual and a wonderful doctor, epidemiologist he, he’s gone into some of the most horrific, horrible areas on earth and just bravely went in to help and the title of that podcast is going to be from winning on the soccer fields to healing on the killing fields and I asked Todd yesterday, you had winning seasons and you have a winning team. How would you feel about playing another team that had young men on the team playing as girls. He said, we couldn’t win. He said girls simply cannot do what boys can do they’re just not built the same. And just like Mr. Rogers said, boys are boys, girls are girls. And Ah,

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Right,

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And yesterday the Supreme Court could have ruled against this West Virginia deal, West Virginia forbade transgender boys to play as girls and they were sued and a judge said yeah boys can play as girls and the supreme court refused to hear it so I’m not sure what’s going to happen there but boys are different and they can, I saw where this transgender boxer,

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Yeah, well do you remember, do you remember?

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Yeah, well a transgender boxer put three female boxers in the hospital, on into a coma. And boxing as a woman. But I just see the unfairness of this I just saw on the news where the Biden administration has now put an end or they’re trying to put an end I’m not sure how successful they’re going to be on the Title IX, which equalizes, you know, girls have access to the sports now and boys really, it made a place for girls. Now I believe that girls don’t have a place anymore. And when you have boys playing girls it just so unfair. I want to talk about the horrific shooting in Nashville a couple of weeks ago. A transexual women who believed in her insane mind that she was a man killed three adults and three children and on the manifestos she was a very angry person and she was especially angry against Christians. And of course, Christ said that they’re persecuting you because they hate me. The media said after that terrible tragedy, they politicized it and they said that the legislature in Tennessee had just voted to end medical care for transgenders, well the medical that they were talking about, and they didn’t mention it, was genital mutilation. Now my group has tried to stop genital mutilation in the Muslim countries for a long time now. That’s where they cut the clitoris off a girl, and it makes it so she can’t ever enjoy sex again. It’s a way that Muslim men control their women completely. If she can’t enjoy sex, she’ll never stray. Problem is it isn’t what God gave women. He gave them the ability to enjoy that intimate relationship with men. Well, now in the transgender community they’re. they’re doing the genital mutilation again and the medical care was the gender transition surgery, which, by the way Vanderbilt University Hospital said was becoming their most profitable division. They were operating on teenage kids, making boys into girls and so on and of course, years later, what have I done and the suicide rate post-transgender surgery, the suicide rate is becoming astronomical. But we don’t hear about that either. Steve, let me get back to you on this. What’s the end result? What’s this going to do to our culture, to our nature, to our Christian-Judeo philosophy and that’s kept this nation together and made it such a strong nation what, what’s the endgame here?

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 That’s multifaceted, George. You know the first thing that comes to my mind in regard to your question is what the wisest man on earth wrote in the book of Proverbs, chapter eight I think it’s the last verse and the whole chapter is talking about wisdom.

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 Oh Solomon.

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Yes.

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Wisest man ever.

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And the last verse says all those that hate me, or hate wisdom love death and I think, I think this is a part of a movement to bring about the destruction of not only individual lives, but families. I mean can you imagine a guy starts dating a young lady and then they get married and realize that she was a guy and he was a girl and they can’t reproduce. And one of the functions of marriage is to propagate, is to perpetuate the human race. It’s like enthroning stupidity. Wisdom is thrown out the window as it were. So it destroys the individual, and they’re not happy. Misery loves company. That’s why, and do you notice, the folks that are promoting this, they’re wanting into the schools, they’re appealing to young people because if they don’t, their movement will die out cause they can’t reproduce and raise their own. So they want to steal the children of, of stable families through I think, largely through peer pressure.

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Doing a good job of it, have you seen where Tik Tok is the main cheerleader of the transgender movement and kids especially are big fans of Tik Tok and, and its 24-7 on Tik Tok the transgender movement and you might be a girl, you might be a boy. Let’s just sort this out and get it right cause you don’t want to be a girl if you’re really a boy and so on.

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And who’s behind Tik Tok?

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China.

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There you go. So, its not only trying to destroy individuals and families and western culture, but destroy us in terms of a nation state and we’re the last bastion of freedom in the world. I mean and as you said earlier, this is a spiritual battle. But it’s manifested not only in the spiritual plane, but in the terrestrial or the material plane of, of reality as well. Satan is so coy. You know, he attacks from without and he undermines from within. And this is just the lates effort to, movement if you will, ideology, cult, whatever you want to call it that he’s chosen to work to try to destroy what God established. And like we were reading earlier when it said, we were reading in genesis about God created them male and female. That’s a gift. God gave us a gift and now we’re trying to destroy the gift, or individuals are trying to destroy the gift that God gave them. That’s like shaking your fist in the face of God. It’s blasphemous.

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It isn’t like shaking your fist. It is shaking your fist. Do you know, a lot of people know especially my clients that I ran a company in Germany during the 80s and the Berlin wall fell. I never thought it would fall without a bloody war. But it just fell. Communism just fell apart because it was intellectually bankrupt, economically bankrupt, and spiritually bankrupt. It was a bankrupt philosophy. It’s coming back now but one of the, we found out as the KGB files and so on were uncovered that part of the goal for the Cold War was taking God out of our culture because they understood that’s what made us strong. And they, the ACLU and the Soviet Union sponsored Madalyn Murray and her effort to get rid of Bible reading and prayer in public schools and they were successful, and they were so correct in believing they could destroy us by destroying our Judeo Christian Culture and now we see it back again. It’s like rearing its ugly head but in a different way. Well, we’re coming to an end of today’s talk and it wasn’t a very happy one because we’re so under attack and the, the kids, they just seem so dumb and so unlikable for what they’re doing and what they’re clamoring for that you’re first thought would be okay let them have it. They’ll be so sorry. But no it’s much worse than that, they’ll be more sorry… its like if your child you tell them don’t touch the stove and actually caught on fire and had 3rd degree burns do you tell them after that I told you so? No, you just want them to get well. And so these kids, I just want them to be happy, to get well, and not to follow this transgender nonsense that is going to be destroying their lives and as you said as part of the Chines effort we know that from Tik Tok it’s going to be destroying America. What’s your parting words, Steve?

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Well, Abigail Shrier and I don’t really know her other than she is a journalist and she had done some research into this topic and she wrote a book that I just ran across the other day called irreversible damage, the transgender craze seducing our daughters.

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Oh boy.

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If, if, if young girls and I think, I think it’s within them for most of them, they want to be mothers. I think Go stamped that on who they are.

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They’re hardwired.

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Then to destroy that, they’re going to have… and its irreversible. Oh, they can get some features back but you know once the ovaries removed and the womb is removed, they can’t bear children again.

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 I hear even the puberty blockers cause irreversible damage. They say it doesn't but then afterwards oh it does let’s do it anyway.

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So, I… the government should not be promoting this kind of behaviour or this kind of practice. I mean children need protection. They need it from their family and they need it from civil society and civil authority. I heard just the other day that Elizabeth Warren is trying to make this transgender movement a human right, and if she, if, if that happens whoever was talking about this and I can’t remember what program I was listening to, said that if this happens, that it becomes a human right then if parents oppose their children transitioning then the children will be taken away from the parent. They’ll lose custody of their own children.

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Well, last week in Canada it was proposed, I believe it’s going to pass, a $25,000 fine for speaking ill of the transgender movement. So, it’s a good thing we’re not in Canada right now. I don’t think they’re going to come down and get you and Diane and me, Steve. But a $25,000 fine for what we’re doing right now. I want to thank everybody for listening to us today. Please pass this on, Tea with George go under podcasts, Get Real, and share this podcast with your friends. America needs to know what the transgender movement is about so that they can be equipped to fight this evil that’s descending on our country and on our families especially on our young people. So, Diane, Steve thank you so much for being with us today, and until next time, you can email me george@teawithgeorge.com and ask me any questions and you can propose a subject for the future. I’d love to do it… if its…you make any sense. So, thanks for listening and goodbye.

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